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Old 01-29-2010, 11:45 AM
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I had an iPod Touch and I was always wishing it had a bigger screen. Quick surfing the net is a joy but with a 3.5" screen, The capabilities for me is limited. Now that they announce the 10" iPod Touch, I am more than excited about. it's not for everyone. If you think that your netbook is better, Stick to ur netbook. Nobody is holding U hostage to buy the iPad. I have a Netbook running OSX86 and Win7. I have an 18.4 " toshiba beast.I have an HP tx2500 tablet. I have a Samsung Q1 Ultra UMPC. I am gonna buy the archos 9. I have a Touch Pro 2. I want the iPad. What the hell is the problem?
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Old 01-29-2010, 01:06 PM
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I'll be getting the 64GB/3g model the day it hits the streets. After seeing what can be done with my jailbroken 3GS, this is the next logical step and I have no doubt that it will be quickly jailbroken, as well.

I'll have to admit, I don't like the missing Flash and multitasking, but it's not close to a dealbreaker. The missing webcam is so overblown by people who just want to find something negative with an Apple product.
Seriously? I mean, I'm underwhelmed because for the price you're going to pay, I can get a netbook with a webcam, that can do flash, has more internal storage, can multi-task, and has expandable storage as well. And I'll still have enough cash left over to accesorize my netbook.

The only thing missing from the netook is a touch screen.

I don't know Chris. I just expected more. I mean, I'm sure it will fit into the Apple ecosystem quite well. And while I'm not a fan of Apple products in general, I do give credit when credit is due. If this thing was running a full OS, perhaps. But as it stands, at the price points they want to hit, it just doesn't add up to me. It really just seems to be an over sized iPod Touch.....
I can also see it from your point of view, JD. But the price comparison is similar to what always happens between PC's and Macs. A MacBook will have 2GB RAM, a comparable PC laptop will have 4GB. The MacBook may have a 250GB hard drive, the PC will have 500GB, but then the PC is $300-$400 cheaper. But it's still not a Mac...

Apple did not make the iPad to compete with anything currently on the market, they will force the other companies to make something to compete with the iPad. The same way Palm came out with WebOS and Google did Android in response to what Apple did.

I also expected more, but this will be a good start. And maybe they'll eventually get AT&T to sell these like subsidized phones, where they can get that price down even further.
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Old 01-29-2010, 06:31 PM
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OK, Going around the interwebs and reading a lot of juice about the iPad make me put the puzzle together. Months B4 the announcement, There are rumors that Apple are going to the E-reader market. Some site even say that Apple is cooking an E-reader to compete with Kindle.Here's 1 example. Well, I think the iPad is their device to penetrate the e-reader market. They even announce the dedicated iBooks for it. Now, Why the 4:3 aspect ratio? Aside from the fact that it will use the existing iPhone App, It will be hard to read on a widescreen display on portrait mode becoz the orientation is slim. The iPad is supposed to be used primarily on portrait mode. Hence, the position of the home button. SO in a sense, the iPad is intended for the e-reader market after all.

BTW, The jailbreaking community discovered that the iPad can possibly be capable of receiving and sending SMS. Plus a video capabilities for video calls maybe, on iPhone OS 3.2. So now we have a hint on what would they include on the iPad 2.0. They have also successfully run the Proswitcher(multitasking app) on the emulator which will possibly make the iPad more enjoyable.

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Old 01-30-2010, 01:33 AM
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I think it is sad that all that jailbreaking is needed for it. Apple should make them good from the start. I think I could even consider buying ipad if it was smaller. 5" would be great.
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It can not play flash viedo.
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:52 AM
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iPaD is just a big screen PDA.

Apple is trying to break the operating system based paradigm to replace it with device based software. Even though iPad runs iPhone OS, I seriously doubt it is capable of running all iPhone software as is. Of course, since software is device customized, Apple can essentially say you are using a new piece of software and charge you more $$ for a new license, even though you've already bought an iPhone version of the same software for your iPHone.

In Apple's computing world, software interchangeability across different device is non-existent allowing Apple to squeeze as much money cash from customers as possible.

As some one said:
no SD slot
not jailbroken out of the box
no user replaceable battery (?)
no user upgrades

These are all examples of Apple designing for Planned Obsolescence in their devices as part of their core business strategy to milk more money and restrict user freedom.

Apple is Evil
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Old 02-04-2010, 11:26 AM
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iPaD is just a big screen PDA.

Apple is trying to break the operating system based paradigm to replace it with device based software. Even though iPad runs iPhone OS, I seriously doubt it is capable of running all iPhone software as is. Of course, since software is device customized, Apple can essentially say you are using a new piece of software and charge you more $$ for a new license, even though you've already bought an iPhone version of the same software for your iPHone.

In Apple's computing world, software interchangeability across different device is non-existent allowing Apple to squeeze as much money cash from customers as possible.

As some one said:
no SD slot
not jailbroken out of the box
no user replaceable battery (?)
no user upgrades

These are all examples of Apple designing for Planned Obsolescence in their devices as part of their core business strategy to milk more money and restrict user freedom.

Apple is Evil
I'm not sure that they are evil. They just have a cash cow that they built with their ecosystem and are looking to profit. They like to do that in such a way that it restricts users. Lucky enough for us is that they're other companies out there that can bring a similar, but open device to the marketplace.

Who am I kidding? They are evil.
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Old 02-04-2010, 11:50 AM
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I don't know how much luck we have left when even Sony the previous propitiatory evil has keeled down before Apple, as evidenced by their Apple iPOD sound docks. These Sony docks for built for iPODs don't even work for their own Sony MP3 players.

If even Sony has called it quits putting up the white flag, what's left to stand in the way of this madness. When was the last time we saw a dock for any other MP3 player?

The industry's pandering to the Apple ecosystem to trying an make a buck off the Apple trend, only serves to further entrench Apple's monopoly.

Clearly the Market favors restriction, Planed Obsoletence, limited features as long as it's wrapped in a nice Aluminum package over fair use, expandable, feature full open platforms.

Can someone please education me on why the Market has such little forsight in failing to see Apple's evil master plan?

What's next? Apple creates a subscription based hardware that disintegrates upon expiry? Surely it'll be a hit and considered a great feature by the fanboys.
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:54 PM
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LoL. apple is evil. If Apple did not exist, We prolly still dealing with laggy touch screen interaction. Apple set the standard on a lot of devices. There are MP3 players And there is an Ipod. If U go to Ebay, mp3 players are separate category with Ipod. Ipod has the best navigation on an mp3 player on it's day. If U have thousands of songs, before u go to the middle, It will take U a lot of clicks.
iPhone revolutionized the Phone industry, If a phone is not comparable to iPhone, it is not good enough. How did I say that?Every new phone Smartphone that comes out will always be compared to iPhone. Speed, interaction, does it have multitouch, does it have an App store, etc etc.
Now android came out And because of Apple, we have competition.We now have an option. Consumer always win on competition. B4 iPhone, What do we have? A buggy WM phone. And now that technology is thriving, which Apple played a huge part, Apple is evil.

I am far from being a fanboy. But Apple is not a charity. Nobody can name a company that releases a device that has everything. There will be no ultimate device. Because if a device exist, the company will fail coz nobody will be upgrading. There is always a sacrifice. Tablet PC can do it all. But it last for 2 hours.The faster the CPU, The bigger the ram, The bigger the harddrive, the thicket the device will be and the less battery operation it will have. It is what it is. There is no way around it.

BTW, I am a WM poweruser. It has its flaws, but it's what I need to get the job done.
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Old 02-05-2010, 10:15 PM
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I'm certainly all for competition in the Market Place. But lately it seems the Market is acting towards the contrary, Apple's running the game and basically the monopoly of the MP3 market.

I see a market that favors style over substance. If you are a WM Poweruser then you know where I'm coming from. It's not even a matter of technical limitation as you suggest.

Since when did enhanced user friendliness of GUI mean a trade-off of established technologies like A2DP Bluetooth or SD slots or .......the most advanced technology of all....COPY AND PASTE.

I see the market supporting a company that lures it's customers by fancy GUIs to hide the fact that they are hindering the advance of technology for greater control of their customers and higher margins.

Software isn't as high a variable cost as hardware. Have to say it's a smart move from Apple considering how many are falling for it.
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Apple is running the game and monopolizing the MP3 market? Tell me what company doesnt wanna do that? If MS can do it, they will do the same thing. If Palm can do it, They will do the same thing. It's what's the goal of every company.

A lot of WM users does not even care about a lot of things. The most important thing to them is tethering. And tethering with WM works out of the box.

I have an 8 gig MicroSD on my phone and don't need anything bigger. Iphones got 32 gigs which is the limit for micro SD in WM. What do U need the SD card for? extra storage? Well, A caveman can use one of those. I use remote access to my PC at home. I will certainly have a Multi touch in trade of SD cards.
All other things will come to the Apple device. Just not on the first release. This is what people failed to understand and I keep on repeating myself.

Apple is hindering the progress of technology. WOW... nobody is forced to buy any Apple product. If people wants something that Apple product does not have, They are free to buy something else. But Apple not putting something that majority of people wants does not mean they are hindering the the advance of technology. Apple is just a fancy GUI. Iphone got the most no. of productivity app out there. Whatever your looking for, there's an app for that. From business app like intuit to leisure app in games.
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I have an 8 gig MicroSD on my phone and don't need anything bigger. Iphones got 32 gigs which is the limit for micro SD in WM. What do U need the SD card for? extra storage? Well, A caveman can use one of those. I use remote access to my PC at home. I will certainly have a Multi touch in trade of SD cards.
All other things will come to the Apple device. Just not on the first release. This is what people failed to understand and I keep on repeating myself.
About that SD slot:
How about getting pictures from a camera or easily transferring some files across devices? And multi-touch and SD can be in a same device...
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Old 02-06-2010, 08:31 AM
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SDHC may max out at 32GB but you can always exchange it. Can't say the same for the built-in flash of ipod, etc. No removable batteries...

There is a moral violation in products built with Planned Obsolescence.

As an electronic device user:

1.) I don't want a handicapped device, built to expire on the failure of the weakest link, (ie: battery)
2.) I want a device that allows me to exchange data at my will, (ie: exchange memory cards)
3.) I want a device that allows me to customize and hack the registry should I deem it necessary (ie: open program platform, registry and file system)
4.) I want a device that allows me to upgrade some components that current established technologies cheaply allow (ie: SD Slot)

Sadly, all of which are only offered by WM .

Apple should be ashamed for designing devices with planned obsolescence, manufacturing artificial wants thru handicapped designs.
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Old 02-06-2010, 08:54 AM
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let me give you another example, SDHC.

It can theoretically hold 2048MB but the standard defining the file system limits it to 32GB. This not is a result of technological limitations. We have hard drives in the terabytes, and OSes to handle such capable file systems for years.
So instead of mirroring today's file system standard that would suffice for many years ahead as flash memory sizes increase, they purposefully repeat the small incremental steps taken the first time around by limiting the file system in each revision of the SD Standard.

This year, we have a new SD standard called SDXC that allows for capacities greater than 32GB. Of course SDHC device aren't forward compatible. This is planned so that even though your device is sufficient for your needs in every single aspect, you will have to replace it if you want to put in more memory.

Then of course, you'll have to replace all your other SDHC devices just so you can get media exchangeability.

This is all planned out to artificially oil the wheels of commercialism. I love commercialism, but not when it's artificially driven by such schemes.
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Old 02-07-2010, 04:27 PM
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SDHC may max out at 32GB but you can always exchange it. Can't say the same for the built-in flash of ipod, etc. No removable batteries...

There is a moral violation in products built with Planned Obsolescence.

As an electronic device user:

1.) I don't want a handicapped device, built to expire on the failure of the weakest link, (ie: battery)
2.) I want a device that allows me to exchange data at my will, (ie: exchange memory cards)
3.) I want a device that allows me to customize and hack the registry should I deem it necessary (ie: open program platform, registry and file system)
4.) I want a device that allows me to upgrade some components that current established technologies cheaply allow (ie: SD Slot)

Sadly, all of which are only offered by WM .

Apple should be ashamed for designing devices with planned obsolescence, manufacturing artificial wants thru handicapped designs.
Which is why you are not required to buy an Apple product. But according to ur opinion, Nobody should buy an Apple products coz it doesn,t have what you want in it.
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